I read an article about it, probably something dead air put out. So the welding might address a potential issue that could arise without it, but I don’t know for sure. But a Nomad E-Brake on a Sandman looks rather… phallic. I like the deeper tone of my nomad vs my buddies sandman.

The Sandman-S is the shorter version suppressor in Dead Air’s notorious Sandman 7.62mm silencer line. You can just get away with a lesser NRR rating. We find out. The light weight titanium and stainless silencer is intended to go everywhere you go on whatever host rifle your day requires. So first off, a nomad, keymo adapter, and flash hider will run me about 1100 before stamp it seems, and a sandman S is about 300 cheaper with flash hider. Nomad is .7oz lighter and .7” longer. 3 0 0. The Nomad Ti sure was sexy but I went with big Bertha. At 6.8 inches in length and a weight of 18.5 oz the Sandman-S™ is the perfect cross-over suppressor for your 5.56mm, 300BLK, and 7.62 platforms, even up to .300 Win Mag. and the sandman series is built full auto rated. Watch Mike and Mikeith talk more about the Nomad-30. For example, the 5.56 front cap greatly reduces first round pop, and decreases the muzzle reading by roughly 1 to 3 dB. For the kind of shooting I do the difference in toughness really doesn't matter, mostly hunting/LR bolt gun and slow fire AR, my cans never get up to the ~800 deg level where Ti has problems. If it wasn't such a hassle I would consider trading my Nomad 30 off for the Ti, but it is what it is. The Nomad Ti was sexy but I wanted max suppression. 53 Likes, 4 Comments - Bruce (@mrsilencers) on Instagram: “Nomad vs. Sandman-S workbench battle. The stellite baffles handle erosion better than any other material out there. Keep it coming. That being said, as an average hunter who does not own sbr or auto rifles (at this time), i'm researching/looking for something that meets my current needs and I think the Ti may be the "perfect fit" as it is light and I will strictly use it only for semi-auto and hunting rifles. Glad to see the post took on a life it’s own with a little heated debate even. That's right. ... Deadair Sandman S - They don't need to … These are the cans i'm considering as well. “The KeyMount mounting system is welded into it and it doesn't come loose on the muzzle device when shooting. Because Key-Mo is heavy and long and regular DA muzzle devices are also heavy themselves, leading to a mount/adapter weight penalty of a little over 8 oz. I would say my sandman has more of a mid range sound to it, with less or a high frequency pop. A community of hobbyists interested in NFA items, topics, history, and news. The QD system is design perfection. Don’t see much from their website. Buying now I'd go with the Ti as it has the length and performance of the original Nomad with a 30% weight reduction... Definitely a plus for anything you are hanging on your muzzle and toting around, possibly swinging and shooting unsupported. If you’re planning on running the suppressor on a truck gun or walking through woods the Sandman S to me is more study and has a smaller profile then the nomad. The Nomad is just a touch shorter as well. I plan to buy 5.56 caps for which ever i choose for my 14.5 P&W rifle, and other rifles later on. And I was under the impression that dead air’s patent ensures that only the dead air muzzle brake is keyed to force it to be mounted the same way every time, so there’s no change of zero. I like the direct thread and keymod options. some people state that the rating is different between the two. If you’re not shooting FA/SBR regularly the Sandman is a bit overkill in my opinion. Sorry I missed this. Why ever go Nomad? *Accessories such as Key-Mo and E-Brake shown in images are not included. whatever you can throw at it itll take. Otherwise, the Nomad line is able to adapt to most scenarios very well. The Dead Air Sandman-S is the reduced length version of the Sandman suppressor. Reviews; Write a Review; At 6.8 inches in length and a weight of 18.5 oz the Sandman-S ™ is the perfect cross-over suppressor for your 5.56mm, 300BLK, and 7.62 platforms, even up to .300 Win Mag. Boys, thanks for all the great information. Both the Nomad and Vox-S seem like great cans, but I can't help but think if EA released a "Vox-M" with a ~2" modular front section on top of the standard Vox-S length they would corner this market completely. The female thread pitch on the inside of the Nomad is compatible with the thread pitch on those QD adapters. I could run Key-Mo on my Nomad, but it's just too heavy and bulky, not the best option out there for most uses IMO. We love silencer owners and we don't believe they should be left in the cold. Choose your poison!…” The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. You can add the KeyMo adapter and the Nomad will be about the same weight, just larger diameter. The Nomad series bring plenty versatility. That means your Nomad-30 can have the same robust and proven quick attachment method as our Sandman models, giving you the best of both worlds. Hope it helps. We seek to expand general understanding of the laws collectively referred to as the National Firearms Act and their implications for gun owners and citizens of today. My main concern with threads is the potential to loosen with heat and recoil. It’s a beast. Anyone own both that can offer some insight? Anyone have other recommendations. The Nomad is an ultra-versatile suppressor designed by Dead Air Armament to meet the needs of the everyday user. Silencers (Page 1 of 8) AR-15 AK-47 Handgun Precision Rifles Armory Training Competitive Shooting General Outdoors Archery Hometown Industry. It also comes off when you want.”. One hand removal in just seconds. The Nomad-30 is specifically designed for the everyday shooter. Yea, they seem like the most comfortable. In MAC’s 7.62 video the back to back testing of the Sandman L and Omega showed that the Omega was actually 4dB quieter with a .308 bolt gun which adding it all up winds up being 9~10dB from the Omega to the L to the S (Disclaimer: this is clearly an overstated estimate of the gap between S and Omega). That means your Nomad-L can have the same robust and proven attachment method as our Sandman models, giving you the best of both worlds. Sandman-S. 20 thoughts on “ Suppressor Performance Database ” Edwin April 19, 2016 at 5:36 pm. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Dead-Air-Nomad-30-worth-getting-with-Sandman-S-/20-493515/. The Dead Air Armament Sandman series of silencers comes in an S and L version. The image below from Recoil is about the best way to visualize the difference. My other consideration was Thunderbeaat. The Sandman S is 17.7 oz and thinner where the Nomad is 14 oz (in direct thread). for 5.56 I'm planning to purchase my first suppressor in the next few weeks and I'm still having a tough time deciding on the best option. Looking to get a suppressor for my 300wsm and 308. You can add the KeyMo adapter and the Nomad will be about the same weight, just larger diameter. The Dead Air Nomad-30 ships with a fixed mount (at the time of this writing either 5/8x24mm or 1/2x28mm), which definitely gives you a shorter OAL than you might expect–falling in-between the Sandman-S and the Sandman-K I could see if it was a dedicated can the direct thread would be nice, but if ive got a grand plus piece of equipment im going to find every way possible to use it. Can anyone really break out the difference between the dead air nomad and sandman for me. The Nomad is more than tough enough for the vast majority of shooters, and in fact, I would personally recommend the Nomad series of suppressors to most shooters over the Sandman series. Shop for Low Price Brownells Mpo Ar15 Com And Dead Air Nomad 30 Vs Sandman S Site Www Ar15 Com . My only experience is with the Surefire issued cans. You’ll be fine with the Nomad but be aware it comes in direct thread config and you’ll need to add a keymo if you want that capability. Suppressors, Short Barreled Rifles, Short Barreled Shotguns, Destructive Devices, Any Other Weapons, and Machine Guns are all welcome here. However, I was just talking to the guys who run the Suppressed Nation YouTube channel and IG page the other day. Although it is shorter than the Sandman-L, it still provides excellent performance across 5.56mm, 300BLK, and 7.62 platforms. The QD system is design perfection. Yes. I just ordered the Nomad-L w E-brake as my first can. But is there really a big difference in sound suppression? I was leaning towards the Nomad. The Sandman S is QD out of the box, it has a 1.5" diameter, a length of 6.8", and it is build like a tank. The Sandman S is 17.7 oz and thinner where the Nomad is 14 oz (in direct thread). One hand removal in just seconds. Ultimately, the nomad will be quieter, but the sandman s seems to be a great entry and has a great mix of length, sound suppression, and weight. Of course, you can still interchange them. About AR15.COM. Can Cerakote just about anything. My Ti has never come loose on anything I have attached it to. .....the nomad cant take the heat that the sandman can.... bud. When I bought my first can I thought itd be my last.... well its not looking that way now. Should still wear hearing protection even with cans, cans are still not exactly hearing safe. I just put an ultra 7 gen 2 in jail last week, but I was in the same dilemma, I looked really hard at the Dominus, and the Nomad Ti as well as the ultra 5 & 7. I've had my head down working on our new taper mount, and times are just crazy busy in general. Tom in Oregon says: June 24, 2020 at 13:26 . Hansohn summed it up, the nomad is the right choice for 90% of people (lighter, quieter, modular mounting, strong enough). They have been testing the nomad with 3 different versions: a new one, slightly used, and one with several thousand rounds through it. Omega vs Sandman S. Thread starter Gear Head; Start date Dec 14, 2017; Gear Head Happy to be here. sandman is smaller in diameter. I went Nomad-L plus EBrake for better sound suppression and recoil and muzzle rise reduction. Joined Dec 19, 2016 Messages 1,352 Location Winston Salem. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. As with the Nomad model, the Sandman E-Brake accepts all Dead Air end caps–though in this case, we think that the addition of a flash hider endcap would mostly just serve for aesthetics. Ive got a sandman l. from my understanding a few of the differences are the materials they used and the dimensions. I guess I need to turn on notifications or something. If it wasnt such a hassle I would consider trading off my Sandman for a Nomad Ti after looking further into it. (See y’all in 6-9....) Thing is absolutely huge, but has the greatest noise suppression based on all the data I could uncover. Other than length and weight (they are almost the same, with the nomad being a small bit shorter but wider, and slightly less weight), how does the performance compare? It really ends up depending on what you want out of it and your end goal. I found the Sandman to be most comparable to the L, and the Hybrid landed somewhere closer to the Nomad 30. I’ve never handled a nomad but have sandman suppressor and it’s built like a tank. Right now I'm going back and forth between the Dead Air Sandman-S and the Surefire Socom556-RC2. Does the nomad have a better noise reduction, tone, or anything else over the S that warrants the price difference? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. but not everyone on the interwebs agree with you. If you had to shoot it indoors, like a house, which would you prefer to be using? Am leaning more towards Ti. Cassandra updated 11 months, 4 weeks ago 2 Members ... I’m really torn between the nomad and the Vox S, but I don’t want to have to use wipes all the time for a great experience. Dead Air Sandman-S 7.62mm QD Mount At 6.8 inches in length and a weight of 18.5 oz the Sandman-S™ is the perfect cross-over suppressor for your 5.56mm, … JavaScript is disabled. Hopefully we can get some insight. Apologies for the noob question. AR15.COM 14,150 views. Looks like cell G37 has a typo unless you mean to say that the Dead Air Sandman S is only 28.2dB at the ear. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Reply. Lantzjoey291 Replies: 13 Views: 524 1/9/2021 1:23 AM monkeypunch Previous Page. I apologize if format is weird, I’m on mobile. Silencer Shop and Mike Pappas Dead Air Nomad and Sandman - SHOT Show 2020 - Duration: 13:21. Sandman S with the Nomad version of the E-brake on it. No wobble, no seizing, no … It may not display this or other websites correctly. Sniper’s Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. The flash hider front cap optimizes your Sandman or Nomad-30 silencer by reducing the front cap size to your caliber. I see what youre saying. Without the silencer, a five shot string of the same Federal Gold Medal turned in an average velocity of 2629 fps with a SD of 10.7. Still been trying to get my hands on the ebrake which helps even more. At 17.3 oz and 6.8 inches long, it is ideal for shooters who value a suppressor with a smaller profile. Live and learn. I believe he gives some first hand comparisons and advice between the Nomad and Sandman S a few places. its not full auto rated. The Nomad is 1.735" in diameter, with a length of 6.5", weighs 3.7 ounces less than the Sandman S, direct thread out of the box (5/8" included and 1/2" adapters extra), and takes the Sandman end caps. I intended to get the sandman s until someone suggested the nomad. Lantzjoey291. 300 Blackout (Supersonic) the nomad on the other hand cant take the heat. The nomad is lighter as noted and I think the tone is better on 308 with the nomad. The Nomad is just a touch shorter as well. Uh no...I have personally melted down a nomad in a destruction test... it's full auto rated I can assure you. Weight and diameter are the big differences which come from the materials used in construction. I thought they'd be pretty similar and warrant some comparison discussions but I was pretty surprised to find almost nothing. The Dead Air Sandman-S is widely regarded as a suppressor that can take ruthless punishment while still providing superb decibel reduction on multiple platforms. If you need the strongest can for whatever reason, the Sandman line is it. I … Long and heavy. I saw the same thing about direct thread coming loose. Thanks for the input and I concur with your statement that while cans help in reducing decibels, ear protection is vital as well. re: Silencerco Omega Vs dead air sandman S Posted by boatless2 on 10/2/17 at 12:59 am to Ice Cream Sammich Well after watching a bunch of YouTube videos, and talking with y’all, the dead air was consistently louder decibel wise than the thunder beast, silencerco omega, … As only knowing enough about cans as having one issued and using it for CQB and Recce patrols, I appreciate the detailed info. The Griffin customer family has more room and now's the best time to jump on board! But thats just me. Silencer Shop tested the Nomad-Ti vs. the Nomad-30 in this video and here are the 300 BLK and 6.5 Creedmoor numbers: ... You can definitely tell the difference in sound vs my Sandman-S but on a 16” carbine the shorter length and lighter weight is absolutely worth the tradeoff. https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/acjbvv/please_help_me_choose_between_a_dead_air_sandman/?st=JS3KV9R0&sh=2025a35b. First Suppressor - Sandman-S vs ? The Nomad 30 is a nice size/performance combo for those uses, and I like mine. If you are already a fan of the Dead Air muzzle devices, you’ll be happy to know the Nomad-L is KeyMo compatible. The Nomad 30 was louder and less comfortable to shoot than the L and the Sandman. The use of NOMAD™, DEAD AIR ARMAMENT™, and SOUND MODERATION TECHNOLOGIES® on this page are merely to advertise the sale of compatible parts or components. Other than length and weight (they are almost the same, with the nomad being a small bit shorter but wider, and slightly less weight), how does the performance compare? With the Sandman S screwed to the end, a similar five shot string dropped to 2620 fps on average with a SD of 5.7. On the other hand, I think you could mark the suppressor and brake in such a way that you line it up the same way every time. Dec 14, 2017 #1 So I bought a 22 can from Tar Heel State a few weeks ago and think I want to go ahead and get the process started for a .30 cal can as well. great thing about these cans is if you are ok with their muzzle devices, one suppressor can work for all your rifles 300wm down to 556. and even if youre not ok with their muzzle devices other companies like son of liberty make compatible hider/brakes. Is the Nomad TI "louder" than the Nomad-L? You must log in or register to reply here. So first off, a nomad, keymo adapter, and flash hider will run me about 1100 before stamp it seems, and a sandman S is about 300 cheaper with flash hider. Sandman comes standard with Keymo mount and built like a tank for around the same pricepoint. Weight and diameter are the big differences which come from the materials used in construction. They haven't tested the Nomad Ti in any of their videos yet, but they do test the regular Nomad 30 against the ultras, and the Dominus. When I shoot subs out of my Rem CSR with the sandman its movie quiet. But naked Ti is sexy when it gets hot and starts to turn colors. Thats all i got. Sandman has a Stellite baffle stack in a tube and the Nomad is tubeless 17-4 baffles. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Dead-Air-teasing-new-lightweight-modular-rifle-can-Nomad-30/20-493205/?page=1. That is Todd Magee, the designer of suppressors at Dead Air. While we didn't think it could get any better than a Sandman-K, S, L or Ti, we were pleasantly surprised when this little silencer wandered into our shop! If the Ti is something you are interested in for a specific purpose, like hunting, then get it. Using our 13.9″ TRACK 2.0 5.56mm barrel with a pinned and welded Dead Air Flash Hider meeting the 16″ overall length ATF requirement, you will have a suppressor ready rifle right out of the box that will perfectly complement your choice of the Dead Air Sandman-K, Sandman-S, or NOMAD suppressor! Will have to look into EA. They do independent testing using calibrated BK2209 meters at muzzle and at ear to the correct mil standard. Plus, the Nomad-30 is compatible with all Sandman front caps. Give all 4 pages of that thread a read through and pay attention to specific posts form user “Mageever”. This suppressor is 6.8 inches long and 17.7 ounces, providing shooters a compact and maneuverable addition to their host firearm, with impressive performance on 300BLK, 5.56, and 7.62. Some use on a 556 during pig hunts. Rating - 100%. You are using an out of date browser. Nomad vs Vox S vs ?? Yes, the Nomad Ti is there same length as the Nomad 30, and meters very similarly: Db is not everything in a can, it helps, don't get me wrong. Nothing really to add at this time. I asked a question kind of similar a little while ago on here and it sparked some conversation between the different lines. Cant really find anything on google directly comparing these 2, only the nomad and the L or Ti. Im brand new to suppressors and nfa stuff, so i probably wont understand anything more than basic terms. Sandman S vs Micro 30. I have a Sandman S and Ti. I've had my head down working on our new taper mount, and times are just crazy busy in general. 300BLK Subs, 6.5CM and 300WSM. Which can would y’all recommend, maybe even above these two? I don't have any info for you, but just wanted to pop in and say thanks cause I had also searched this and came up pretty empty handed. Mike Pappas, Founder of Dead Air Armament and Director of New Product Development, set out to further the legacy of the Sandman series with a new lightweight suppressor designed specifically for the everyday user. Founded by Frank Galli in 2014, Sniper’s Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to it’s users in one location. The Nomad can attach to not only Dead Air muzzle devices but also SilencerCo ASR and Q muzzle devices if you already have the quick detach adapter for those devices. If you search hard enough on youtube you can find videos of people shooting each to get a better idea of what "tone" they are. Their video should be out soon and might be able to give you an idea on the performance information. Page / 8 Next Page. difference in materials. I concur with your statement that while cans help in reducing decibels, ear protection vital! 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