Welcome to Skyrim Forums! This has nothing to do with the ability for an independent Skyrim to defend or prevent an Aldmeri invasion but the point is moot regardless. Stormcloaks pay compensation for the massacre at Karthwasten +1 : Dawnstar and The Pale are given to the Imperials +1 : Winterhold and its hold are given to the Imperials +1 : Scoring System Details . So this place needed a bit of an expansion to flesh it out and make it seem more like the "Karthwasten Hall" of old, in as much as Skyrim will allow for that. The Elder Scrolls IV: Knights of the Nine, Pocket Guide to the Empire, First Edition: Skyrim, https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Karthwasten_(Skyrim)?oldid=3122644. If the Dark Brotherhood was successful regardless of who assassinated the Emperor himself then the Empire would be even more weakened and unlikely to sustain a war with Skyrim. Karthwasten was the capital of The Reach, before it was replaced by Markarth. And you were accusing the Stormcloaks of doing such a thing as well, when there's solid proof that your army was the one that killed many, many people there! We know for sure that it was attacked by the Forsworn and if you favor the imperials in the negotiations the Stormcloaks will demand tribute from the imperials. This serves as the new source for trade between Skyrim and it's allies since the East Empire Company would be gone. Anyone have any idea? They are not used because it is essential for them to fortify the southern border of Cyrodiil and, to a lesser extent, the Hammerfell border. That's Skyrim, Morrowind, and Hammerfell. Anyone have any idea? Dismiss Notice; Spoiler Your decisions during "Season Unending" Discussion in 'General Skyrim Discussion' started by Chadonraz, Sep 28, 2013. Karthwasten is supposed to be a bustling mining town with two actively worked mines, yet only has a couple of buildings and too many NPCs to match. For other uses, see Karthwasten Hall. Like you said, Morrowind is too militarily weak and to become involved in the war climate at the moment would be a detrimental interposition since the Dominion has made no direct acts of aggression against Morrowind. Given that Skyrim would be virtually defenceless against a Dominion invasion, it would allow the Dominion an extreme geostrategic advantage over the Empire if it had jumping-off points to its immediate north and south. Remember Tullius only has a token force out of a weakened legion. Seal the deal. YOUR men killed people that YOU were supposed to be protecting! The Empire has been able to run to the heir-apparent for mostly symbolic leadership. Skyrim Codes for Items in Skyrim, Dawnguard, Hearthfire and Dragonbor ; In Skyrim, you can marry anyone of any gender or race.If you're a male Nord, you could marry a male Orc if you wish! Before adding a bug to this list, consider the following: *Disclosure: Some of the links above are affiliate links, meaning, at no additional cost to you, Fandom will earn a commission if you click through and make a purchase. The town is run by Ainethach and is home to miners who work the two adjacent mines: Fenn's Gulch Mine and Sanuarach Mine. And that there are now many Dragons to "control" that can only be TRUELY killed by another Dragon/Dragonborn, that either reforming the Empire by siding with them might be well possible, under yet another Dragonborn. (An independent Skyrim) could learn a great deal from enhanced studies in Blackreach. I don't argue that the Dragonborn would serve as an important military asset but I find it fundamentally unlikely that the Dragonborn's limited control over some Dragons would be enough to compensate for the severe lack of military power from an independent Skyrim. He does so by demanding compensation for the Karthwasten Massacre. Loading... Unsubscribe from GamingSuperGuy? They also defeated the Thalmor after the empire cut ties with them and Hammerfell beat them out of their lands. If Redoran attacks the Dominion, the Dominion will likely interpret that as an attack from the rest of Morrowind. When the Dragonborn first arrives here, two groups are in a heated debate over the mine. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. The Reach Or would Tullius demand a hold, and would he have to compensate for anything? Alone and weakened either procince would still be a tough victory for the Thalmor, but United the three provinces could not only defeat the Thalmor but drive them back to the Summerset Isles. Especially after foiling the Hlaalu assassination plot and re-opening the Ebony mine. Quests Jump to: navigation, search. Assuming I was a Legionnaire and took over all Stormcloak territories EXCEPT Windhelm, what would Ulfric/Tullius demand then? The Aldmeri Dominion would in fact be foolish to invade. Everyone hates the Aldmeri Dominion that is not a part of them. Hammerfell naturally as the first. Neither province would have any interest in a defence agreement with the other since both provinces are severely weak. Sometime during the Skyrim Civil War, prior to 4E 201, the town of Karthwasten was the site of a massacre allegedly committed by the Stormcloaks, who disputed their responsibility for the bloodshed. Skyrim would lose its trading partners and would fall easily. AinethachAtarBelchimacEnmonFjotraLash gra-DushnikhMenaRagnar Karthwasten has several houses that contain silver ingots and ore and two silver mines. It is, therefore, an unsafe assumption to say that an independent Skyrim would make any attempt to weaponize Dwemer technology, especially given the plethora of problems they would have to dedicate resources to and the cultural distain for magic present in Skyrim. They say they "spilled Nord blood", the very people they swear to protect. Mod name Notes; Karthwasten: Permissions and credits Author's instructions. I also made the point previously that the Empire can decide to dedicate a strong military offensive against Skyrim to secure it against Aldmeri invasion using it's dedicated legions - those seen during the Great War that used better armour, weapons, were mostly mounted, and led by an extensive backbone of skilled officers. The Dragonborn can then kill him along with his entire crew then report back to Ainethach to get another reward. For centuries, Karthwasten would prove itself time and again as an important fortified town against the original nedic tribes of Hammerfell, the Rourken dwemer, and eventually the warrior wave of the Yokudans. Skyrim | The Slaugther of.. Karthwasten GamingSuperGuy. Map Would Ulfric demand anything? If the Dragonborn is harbinger of the Companions and wields Wuuthrad that will also put fire into the hearts of the Nords unifying them even more. They are notoriously nationalistic and xenophobic and would never agree to commit forces to an offensive war even at the vote of the other great houses. 6) Tullius does not have the entire Imperial legion at his back, so with the Dragonborn in addition to a strong Skyrim the war for Skyrims independence could be over quickly. Dragons are an uncounterable threat to even the Summerset Isles. But the Empire has done nothing good for them since they abandoned Morrowind. Ainethach Enmon, miner Mena, his wife Belchimac, miner Lash gra … Community content is available under. What this mod offers is a general store trader, an inn, and a couple new buildings and models that might make the town of Karthwasten a more noticeable miner's town, with a burned-down house to note that a massacre had taken place in the village, as evident in Seasons Unending dialogue. As I said previously, the Empire is not using the elite of it's forces in the Civil War. Somehow utilizing dwarves machinery would give them another distinct advantage. Again, no defence partners. Karthwasten's bulidings now do not longer look as the farmhouses as you find them at every edge in skyrim: Now they look like shabby miner hut's at the back of beyond like it should be, sordided by the terrories of the civil war and the attacks of the forsworns. •The Imperial's cause is just If military forces from Hammerfell move to reinforce Skyrim, southern and eastern coastal Hammerfell becomes more viable for Aldmeri footholds. This section contains bugs related to Karthwasten (Skyrim). That is a pretty strong group. Even in the context of the game itself and not just lore, what is ridiculous is to assume that the Dragonborn would be powerful enough to completely nullify any handicap against Skyrim in the face of an all-out Dominion invasion. But the Empire has done nothing good for them since they abandoned Morrowind. It's not realistic. Only thing is the only "massacre" I can recall is when I killed everyone who was occupying the mine there. Karthwasten Karthwasten is a town in western Skyrim, near the borders of High Rock and Hammerfell. If the Dragonborn has defeated Alduin and Miraak then he could in some way command some of the dragons if not many dragons. KarthwastenExterior01KarthwastenExterior02KarthwastenExterior03KarthwastenExterior04KarthwastenExteriorEdge. Then you add that clearly if Ulfric did win he did so with the Dragonborn as well. /thread. We want compensation for the people of Karthwasten, Tullius." It is fair to assume Mede II had an heir and the Empire is therefore militaristically stable for having lost its leader and able to continue any military operations it was conducting or planning. If the Dragonborn has defeated Alduin and Miraak then he could in some way command some of the dragons if not many dragons. They say they "spilled Nord blood", the very people they swear to protect. Of course, the Dragonborn would help significantly but its unrealistic to assert that the Dragonborn could almost single-handedly destroy a Dominion invasion against a weakened Skyrim. •Neither side can defeat the Aldmeri Dominion without Unity, which the Stormcloak's cause will throw under the bus with their Independence •There is no correct side in war, but the outcome for a hope of defeating the Aldmeri Dominion is that the Empire wins the civil war and keeps their access to borders and land within Skyrim There are three buildings in the town: Karthwasten Hall, Enmon's House and the Miner's barracks. 4) If the Dragonborn is harbinger of the Companions and wields Wuuthrad that will also put fire into the hearts of the Nords unifying them even more. I… Plus it's a known lore town that's been here for at least 200 years. The Elder Scrolls IV: Knights of the Nine. Characters Sanuarach MineThe Heart of Dibella Type Next is Morrowind though they are weakened from the eruption and Argonian invasion substantially. High Rock and Cyrodiil would be the only remnants of the Empire, but at this point they serve as no threat to Skyrim and it's allies. Location He sets out on a adventure to Karthwasten, facing dangers on the road. Joined: Jan 21, 2013 Messages: 1,103 Likes Received: 504 … Deutsche Übersetzung der Mod "Karthwasten" by Arthmoor. Dragons. Elder Scrolls is a FANDOM Games Community. Karthwasten has several houses that contain silver ingots and ore and two silver mines. Suffice to say, if both sides have allegedly committed these crimes, no compensation should be made. Skyrim:Karthwasten - The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages (UESP . While it may not be a garaunted checkmate, a Dragonborn certainly is more than the Aldmeri Dominion have. Phase 4: Imperials want compensation for a battle at Karthwasten. Sublocations There's a Tanning Rack on the porch. This is why the war is not asymmetrical and the Stormcloaks can win. On the quest Season Unending, the Imperials mention they want compensation from the Stormcloaks for the massacre in Karthwasten. Town: Karthwasten (view on map) Respawn Time: 10 days: Console Location Code(s) KarthwastenExterior01, KarthwastenExterior02, KarthwastenExterior03, KarthwastenExterior04, KarthwastenExteriorEdge : Region; The Reach: Location; East of Shrine to … Karthwasten Karthwasten Hall is a farmhouse in Karthwasten, next to Enmon's House. ". 86. Giving it to them pleases the Imperials, denying it pleases the Stormcloaks. Same could be said about Skyrim itself, if siding with the stormcloaks, the Dragonborn could very well unite skyrim under their banner, leading to potential new Empire based in skyrim. If both members of a defence agreement are weak, then an opposing force has a better opportunity to attack whatever front is left weakest from the redistribution of military assets. For The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "about Season Unending: does it SHOW that Ulfric has compensated for Karthwasten? Assuming this isn't the Bethesda Retcon Brigade at work, what could have happened to Karthwasten to reduce it to a settlement smaller than Shor's Stone? Reskin karthwasten using the custom vanilla meshes, and best of all its compatible with any reskin mod that changes village texture. Continued Requirements Nexus requirements. There is a miscellaneous quest to determine who has control of the mine. Karthwasten is a small town in The Reach along the banks of the Karth River. Town The great houses would despise such a unilateral action on the part of House Redoran. 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